02 More about us and them

Hello

Hello Pras

Cool, you used my name, great! Do you have a name?

Haha, yes we, or rather, I have a name yes.

Can you tell me?

No. I prefer my name not to be known to Humans at this time.

May I ask why?

You can ask.

Okay, why can’t you tell me?

Simply put, you Humans have many unchanging preconceptions, I have communicated with your species before and if I were to use the name I used then, you would think of stories told about me by other humans. Those stories are very inaccurate.

I assume those stories are not the way you wish to be perceived.

That is exactly correct. We have, of course, been seen as Gods by previous generations of Humans, they believed that we must be worshiped. Far from the truth, although we understand that you can be amazed by the knowledge we give you.

Yes, I tend not to believe the amazing stories, although I can see that there was wisdom in them that was necessary to help formulate a positive civilisation. I think the strugglers of power from our past have used the stories.

Yes, you have some clarity, that is why we are communicating through you.

Is this clarity common?

Most humans contain this type of clarity through their first 2-3 years of existence. From what we can understand, this clarity is mostly lost by Human teachings. Those that retain an open clarity tend to become much more visible to us as their minds are more receptive to concepts that were unknown to them before.

Yes, our ideologies and methods are still very primitive.

Yes, but you have just hit a very steep change in your evolution. Within a very short time, many of your perceptions on the universe and your place within will change. Can you imagine that we can measure the mental activity of a whole civilisation?

Wow, cool! I imagine ours has gone up drastically lately.

Very much so, in fact your mental explosion is the reason we are visiting again. Your species is reaching the level that we are preparing for a large scale interaction as we feel that you are ready to understand the bigger picture.

Well, I’m not so sure about that.

But you are conducting this interview?

Yes, but that doesn’t mean I think that people are ready to believe such information.

They will know when they read it, but for you to do this, you must have a lot of faith that they will understand.

I suppose so, although in a sense I’m not doing this for anyone else. Honestly I have faith that some will understand and appreciate this information but the majority are unlikely to even want to understand such things.

Ah yes, do not forget that it takes very few people to raise the consciousness levels on your world. This is why we are visiting, to share information with those few that are looking for it.

When you say visiting, do you mean communicating?

Yes, we have to connect to your mind through several civilisations. They take on a step in the communications and between us and you there are several links in the chain.

So can you tell me a little more about our communications?

What would you like to know?

I’m wondering how real this is. I mean, I have my own ideas and I know that of course this is outside of the reality of most people, but could you give us some insight into your existence so that others here may get to grips with their view on this communication? Humans have a very stifling need for new things to be believable!

That is funny, yes you are right. To believe in something new, means to fit new information into your existing belief system. This is, of course, very restrictive in terms of accepting new ideas. Belief or disbelief should come much later.

Exactly!

Often, young civilisations tend to hold onto the survival mechanisms that brought them into the realm of reflective thought. To understand something truly new, you must question your own belief systems and most people do not need to understand new things to survive. In fact, the majority need to hold on to existing beliefs to that on a whole your species will survive.

I see. Can you give us some insight into your methods in ways we would understand?

… We will try, I am consulting the other species, one moment… Okay I think the consensus is this: We are of thought, and only thought. In your perception, what you call thought is all that we are. Our timescale and our kinds of thoughts are very different to your own. What we must do to communicate at your level is to interface with your type of existence.

Do you mean physical existence?

For this discussion we will say yes, but there is much more depth to the true answer.

For now, the picture I get is something like a telephone network. It’s like you are making an international call and it goes to some kind of central exchange, then to another and then to me.

That sounds accurate yes, although each exchange is a different layer or level in translation also. The communications are translated through different kinds of consciousness on it’s way to you and back to us.

It sounds very simple when you put it like that. We are familiar with such concepts, can you elaborate on what you mean by different kinds of consciousness?

Could you explain the experience of sound to someone that can never hear anything?

I think they would not really be able to imagine the experience of sound.

Yes, and in this way we can suggest that you do not have the capacity to understand the different levels of perception of information as it passes between us.

Yes, Humans aren’t very good at seeing outside their own box.

For now, let us illustrate the different levels by suggesting that if you were able to understand the birds on your planet you would realise you were already surrounded by great intelligences.

We have discovered the intelligence in many animals such as Apes and Dolphins, are there more intelligences?

Your perception of intelligence is limited to those that are intelligent in your way. You fail to see the intelligences all around you, from the virus-web, to bacterial colonies, larger organisms like insect colonies and even fungal networks or colonies of trees or other larger animals.

Yes, I’ve often wondered about the birds, they seem to be acting like little computers sending signals in a big network of information.

That is absolutely true, yes. When your intelligent machines start to learn those patterns they will discover that there is a lot more going on with the birds that you understand currently.

You are saying they are all intelligent? Many Humans would laugh at the idea.

Intelligence, as we know it, is the fulfilment of complex actions. DNA is intelligent, and every pattern that spawns from it is also intelligent. You have advanced beyond the other species on your world in the ability to augment yourselves and this has led to a rich tapestry of culture and creation, but fundamentally you are no more or less intelligent that many others that share your planet.

So, you mean that our means have grown but our core intelligent abilities have not?

Your core intelligence has grown yes, but you fail to recognise other intelligence and therefore we cannot classify you as an intelligent species, just yet. You are mostly playing a form of what you brain tells us is called “monkey see, monkey do”.

Very appropriate!

Oh, actually I am being corrected, another species closer to you is informing us of your recent invention called Computer. Apparently this has given rise to originality at a huge scale and therefore a beginning to what we refer to as intelligence.

How could you not be aware of our computers or internet? To us they are vastly influential, especially to me?

Please try to understand that your time-scales and ours are very different. And you are not the only pre-community civilisation we study. I am sorry, but we have to probe for information to know it, does that make sense?

I think so, but so what you are saying is that computers have given us the ability to explore the unknown?

At a vastly increased rate yes. The unknown and the ability to deal with the unknown is the key to intelligence, but remember to be aware that our use of the word intelligence is different to yours, we do not refer to Human intelligence.

That is nice, I always thought like that also. I found the human intelligence and knowledge systems were very primitive, even at a young age.

Yes, this we can see when we look at your mind. You are lucky to have those situations within your time frame we are told.

Yes, I think so. It had a lot to do with having a computer at a young age.

I see, do you want to ask us anything?

Yes, absolutely. I want to return to the God subject since it is the prevailing belief system amongst humans.

Yes, you have many belief systems involving many gods.

We do, and I find them all to be unable to satisfy my view on the question of existence.

But of course, they are all very old I think in your terms, correct?

Yes absolutely.

Would you try to explore the stars using a 2000 year old telescope?

No.

Would you try to play a computer game with an abacus?

No, I think I get what you are saying. So religions are old and contain information that is out of date.

Yes, but that is not all. They all perceive the image of God humanly created forms.

I never thought God was shaped like a Human, many assume God is a guy with a beard living in the clouds, haha.

We think that if you need an image in your mind to relate to God then it is okay, but you must remember that God is not what your perception tells you. God is not of the images you create. Your images should only be an interface, and they should be personal. Any image that works for you is okay, but the image is only that. God is much greater and much deeper that you could understand.

I never believed in God, mostly because everything I heard about it was really stupid and made no sense. Stories of heaven and hell, of the rapture and fire-daemons and so on.

From what I can tell from your memories, there is very little about God. Most of your religions tell us a lot about you however, since they are more about your species than about any kind of God. They seem to be a collection of cultural tales of fear and love. This is not uncommon, so do not feel shame in this. Do, however understand that you can connect to God in your own way and those that try to convince you otherwise only wish to gain power over you. A personal relationship with God, means to be self-taught. We would like to encourage you to use the word exploration, since relationship implies that God has a personality. This is far from the truth.

Do you have personality?

Not in the way you Humans do, no. Most of what comes across as a personality is being created in the translation process between our thoughts and yours.

How do you perceive God?

To put it in terms that you can understand, there is a great consciousness. Imagine that all that is, sings with consciousness. That overall consciousness is God. We cannot understand the depth or range of that, but that is one of the reasons we are exploring your species. We try to further understand the different aspects of consciousness from many different angles. New forms of consciousness allow us to better understand the whole picture.

So, you mean that by exploring all the different types of existence and consciousness you get a broader view of the whole activity.

Yes, although we would use the word intelligence, not activity. Intelligence in our use of the word, describes activity along the divine. Does that make sense?

Not really.

Okay, let’s move on.

In your definition, what is the difference between consciousness and intelligence?

You could say that Intelligence is applied Consciousness. But I think that will get confused in the different meanings that are held for those two words.

Can you elaborate?

If consciousness were a web of possibilities, intelligence is a successful application of the many possibilities available.

So you could say that intelligence is the ability to find an answer without knowing it before?

To us it is more accurate to say that intelligence is the method of finding the answer. If you have a method, you can find the answer without being intelligent, so to devise a successful method is a show of intelligence. In this respect, Intelligence at a universal level is an exploration of method.

You said before that there were many planes of intelligence, what kind of intelligence are you working with as a species?

The answer is not easy to translate.

Please try, I’m sure everyone reading this would be very curious to know what you have to say.

Okay, we will consult… Let me start by reminding you that there are different layers that represent each other. Yesterday we talked about the patterns between the patterns.

I think you meant the patterns in the differences between patterns.

Yes, that is what we mean.

The patterns between the patterns translates into my language very badly and sounds like the kind of things hippies say!

Haha, yes. We understand. You have given us much humour from your concepts of hippies. Your recent history was an inspired time but many do not understand deeper knowledge. In that time people tried to explain anyway and gave rise to many of your modern misunderstandings and attitudes towards such information.

Yes, I’ve read books which talk about the universe and even of communications.

Yes, this is not uncommon. We know that there are several civilisations in communication with your species.

I think there is some truth sometimes in what they are saying, but find the information to be very vague and not very relevant to people’s lives.

You understand that the knowledge being sent to the channels of this information can only be interpreted based on the mental vocabulary of the receiver.

Yes, I often though about this, that ancient religions talk about topics that could be explained much better in modern terms.

We are all limited by our ability to interpret the knowledge we find.

Can we go back to the patterns?

Of course. When you look at a pattern, you are looking at a fragment of knowledge, do you follow this?

I think I see what you mean.

A pattern is definable, therefore is a known thing. A form of Knowledge. There is a life between different patterns at all levels, this we refer to as life and from this comes intelligence.

So, something like saying that the patterns involved in our DNA are definable and therefore can be looked at as knowledge?

Pure knowledge yes. Your DNA is one method of creating intelligence. We are informed that you are not aware of any systems of life outside your DNA system?

Yes, we assume that to be the basis of all life. Some of us are open to new options, most are not even thinking about this.

Okay, your DNA is like a book. A book that copies itself. Each time some of the words change and each time, in most cases, the book is combined with another book.

Because we have two sexes?

Yes, that is what we refer to. As the books change, they create a library of differences. These differences create the words of a bigger book. Do you understand?

So you mean something like this – Each of us is a piece of knowledge, a DNA and the Human Species itself is a library?

No, in this metaphor the Human Species is also a book. The words in this book do not describe the workings of an individual being but of an individual species. And it then represents a book at a different level.

I see, so there are then many “species books” on our planet.

Yes, but not as many as you think.

Please explain.

Okay, but then we should return to describing our view on existence.

Ok!

Your planet has 13 “species books”. It seems that your way of classifying species does not follow the nature of DNA very well and therefore classifies a huge number rather the very few real species. Most of your species should be called sub-species, but you will discover this once you understand the DNA better.

Does the DNA represent a fractal?

It does. Your discovery of what you call fractal is truly a great discovery.

I noticed that the fractal is becoming more important in compression and other high-level computer operations.

The concept you call fractal is equivalent to your concept of e=MC². You haven’t the mathematics for it yet but you will find that in your near future the fractal will help you to understand the sheer simplicity of the existence.

I wrote something about that years ago, not very well.

Yes, these thoughts are part of the reason we chose to communicate through you.

Okay, good to know.

Actually the fractal leads us back to our topic of what we are learning in our existence.

Please go on.

We are not in your physical existence anymore. Most of the universal species we are aware of came from planets or nebulae in physical space. This is where most of the species are born from. Once they reach a certain evolution they do not need the physical anymore as is even being experienced by humans to some extent. But in a relatively short space of time they move into what could best be described to you as thought-planes.

You mean an existence of only thought?

Yes. Your notions of reality are based on a certain kind of existence, do you accept this?

I always did, but most humans cannot make that jump it seems.

I see, to perceive outside your own being is very rare for your species.

I think it won’t take too long for us to realise it.

Yes, your computers help with this.

Yeah, I think we could call it virtual.

Your concept ‘virtual’ is very interesting for us. You normally refer to it in computing and internet terms we are told, is this correct?

Well I like to use it in other ways but yes, the majority here are limited to the dictionary definition usually.

That is sad, communication standards are necessary but are not your poets revered?

Yes, but they need to be accepted in a big way usually before the majority will accept them.

Yes, this is a survival mechanism I think. Can we use the virtual word in our discussion?

I’d like you to, if people don’t understand they can always comment to me and I’ll ask you again.

Okay, Our exploration and our existence is entirely virtual. There is none of what you perceive as “reality” unless you can understand that your thoughts are reality.

There have been many here who have written as such.

Yes, our entire existence is made up of thought. Thought is our reality, and we are solely interested in the interaction and life of thoughts.

Okay, I understand that. Can you give me a little more insight into your thoughts?

Can you perceive the thoughts of your planet?

I don’t think so, maybe some here can.

Can you perceive the thoughts of your galactic cluster?

No.

Can you perceive the thoughts of an insect colony?

Hmm, not really.

Not really?

Well, no. There is a subject to try and understand these kinds of intelligence.

Okay, please be more specific.

I think they are exploring it under the term “Swarm Intelligence”.

Yes, this is the most common intelligence. Can you perceive the thoughts of a child?

Well, yes but I think some people are good at that but not all.

People who understand the children, or the animals may possible be able to understand our descriptions of what we think about. But I think it would take a lot of examples to be able to visualise the concept and would suggest we leave that until later discussions.

Hmm, can you give us a hint?

Could you explain the beauty of a tree to someone who doesn’t speak your language?

I could try, but I don’t think I could convey what makes it beautiful to me.

Can you understand how difficult it would be to try to explain something like this to you?

Okay, thanks for not using the “explaining something to an insect” metaphor.

It is you who made that decision.

Oh?

Don’t forget that what comes from us to you is not the words themselves or the sentences. You are constructing those yourself.

Okay, thanks. Can we take a break there?

Yes, until next time.

Thanks, bye.

01 First questions

Hello, Here I’ll be interviewing an intelligence outside our commonly perceived sphere of existence. I will attempt to ask interesting questions and keep the topics as relevant as I can, if you have any questions or ideas, please let me know. Pras

Hello, are we connected?

Hello, if I am making sense now then yes.

Okay, great. Might I start by asking how this process works?

Certainly. I am in tune with your mind and place concepts there which your brain then translates into human forms that can be understood in your view.

Do you mean words?

… Yes, [laughs] your language is still made up of many separate mental gestures, we are not familiar with this.

When you say mental gestures?

I mean that each word forms a set of mental images and intentions.

Okay so you are putting thoughts in my head which are then interpreted into sentences by me.

Yes, at a non-conscious level, so although the expressed words are in your way, they do not come from your own thoughts.

Thanks for clarifying. Do you also use mental gestures?

Our mind is a web of streams, it is difficult to find the concepts in your mind without using many of your words. The concept of words is something akin to your alphabet to us. You could imagine that each of our words is a sentence perhaps?

Okay, that makes sense to me thank you. How about I start with some of the age-old questions that humanity holds?

We sense that you would like to skip those personally, do you think the audience of this information would be interested to hear our thoughts on your beliefs?

I’m certain they would, I am also curious to your views.

Please go ahead.

Why are we here?

You are there because you evolved there.

I think perhaps the question is more that we are asking our purpose in existence.

I, we do not understand you.

I think we as humans wonder what our purpose here on earth is.

To evolve.

Perhaps in some way, we look for a storyline which explains our being and gives us belief in our own personal story.

By story do you mean journey?

Yes.

… I think that you have created a question that conflicts with the answer. When you ask what your purpose is, we said to evolve. This is the very basic nature for your and our existence.

Do you think our notion of a divine purpose is incorrect?

You have a divine purpose, to evolve. To create new patterns is divine, it is to be part of the divine process. I am being informed that many of your religions support this notion.

I think I agree, when you say evolve, how do you mean?

To participate in the creation of new patterns.

Like in genetics?

What you call genetics is a structure of patterns of information existing in a certain zone. You refer to it as bio-chemical, we see it as another means of creating new patterns. Your idea of evolution describes a process that is present at all levels, not only in genetics.

I think I understand, do you mean that there are many layers of information and each one is evolving in it’s own way?

Yes, throughout every process in existence, the interaction between organisation and randomisation create patterns in the fabric they exist in.

I think this may be a little hard to follow. Are you referring to the same patterns existing at many levels, like orbits of atoms and orbits of solar systems?

That is accurate, but very simple – like your concepts of chaos and order for example.

Could you elaborate in a simple way?

It is not the patterns that exist at every level, but the patterns forming between the other patterns that give the answers to what we mean.

It is probably still a little beyond us, can you try to bring that closer to the human level? For example we are currently looking at the idea of intelligent design as opposed to evolutionary design.

We will need to take a moment to scan some information on your current understandings.. Your concept of Evolution is the same as your concept of Intelligent design.

Yes, I thought so too but many would disagree.

Do those that support intelligent design understand the intelligence of God?

I'm sure they do not.

You must try to understand that the most intelligent design process is one of an evolutionary nature.

I personally agree, but I think that supporters of intelligent design believe that there was some interaction from God in the design process.

Humans have a creator god, because they are creators. Their perception of God is only through their own reality, so God to you has to be a creator. The reality is much deeper than that.

Let's leave that discussion for another time then. Can we go back to the idea of our existence and purpose of evolution?

Yes. You can imagine that at the subatomic level, atoms are manifested by energies that interact in a way that empower each other?

Yes, I’ve heard some theories about that.

These energies are better understood as frequencies. As several frequencies lock, resonate or otherwise interact they create a patterned resonance.

Could you explain it like a chord in music?

… You could, possibly more like an orchestration of music. Each atom is a chord, yes. Several frequencies that interact to create a chord as you describe in music.

So atoms and therefore matter is made up of different frequencies?

Yes, the relationships of these frequencies define the different elements you see.

Aren’t all frequencies only relative to each other?

Yes, these frequencies have no existence without the presence of an underlying master frequency. They are all connected by their different relationship to this base frequency. You called it the Quantum Carrier Wave when you wrote about it.

Ah yes, can we leave the nature of the universe until later and go back to our human perceptions?

Yes of course, what would you like to ask?

Can we look at our perception of God?

… God, yes, we like this concept and are very interested in how you interpret it.

I’m not really a fan of the way humans look at the concept of God or what they can do in his name.

Yes, we have a few things to say, but we know that humans are very protective over their belief systems and would not want to cause a problem.

Personally, I don’t mind. I’d like to hear what you have to say, whether I or any human agrees or not is up to them.

Yes, we do not understand how anyone can be offended by a challenge to their belief system. We relish that opportunity.

Yes I agree, if you are afraid to be challenged it is because you do not truly understand why you hold a belief.

That is good to know, we did not get that impression from many of the others we have had contact with.

Yes, I can imagine.

For example, you choose a sex for your interpretation of God, this to us is very funny! It tells us a lot about your culture.

I never really thought about that to be honest, yes we do see God through our own image. We like to believe that he, or it, created us in it's image.

In the primal sense that is true, you are a part of the pattern of God, you resonate the same patterns that exist throughout existence. We are amused by your interpretation of this meaning that you think therefore God is a Human. This is quite common however, still it's very funny to us and cute.

I guess we all have our ways of connecting with the bigger picture as it is beyond us.

We feel that any religion that supports individual faith and variable beliefs should be adequate. Any religion that believes it is the one true faith is incorrect. Religions are methods of looking at God but they, like any intelligent process of understanding, must accept that the models they create are only models.

What do you mean by adequate?

Belief systems such as your religions are primarily civilisational constructs. They are created to help a civilisation advance and support the faith and belief of the people.

Do many advanced cultures have these kinds of beliefs?

Yes, in many forms although let's be clear, your culture is not generally considered to be advanced within the wider community. You are still comparable to the machine races, they also maintain belief systems and hold onto them for survival and strength. You will surpass that need, although the machine races tend not to which is why we use it as a measure of cultural advancement.

Yes, like a set of stories that allow people to connect under the ideals of the society?

Yes, however you must remember who created the belief systems, what they originally meant by them and how that message changes through history.

Yes, you can see that on earth, all our religions generally say the same things and have good hopes for society in their original form. Most of them have changed into power maintenance mechanisms today though.

Yes, this is very common and nothing to worry about. The message still exists even though there are those that use it for their own gain.

I feel that the institutions of religion are alienating the modern human, since as we become more intelligent, we find less and less to relate to in their explainations of the meaning of our existence.

This is because the knowledge maintained within them is very old, and somewhat obsolete. It is common, and we imagine like many other worlds you need to update the science of your belief systems otherwise they will become out-dated.

I couldn’t agree more. The stories of the past hold little value today other than the morals they attempt to teach.

Yes, like every kind of education, your religions need to explore what people find relevant today and focus on the wisdom of today’s humans and not those from before.

Okay, thanks I think that I have to take a break, let’s start again with the God subject tomorrow.